Monday, December 18, 2006

Why Conservative Evangelicals are the Most Bestester Ever Ever

Below, to share with you all, are quotes from "The Shepard's Chapel" - A 3 AM TV show on the international channel. The following are from Conservative Pastor Arnold Murray. If you like to know more about him, he refers to himself as "Dr." but not even his supporters know if he actually received a doctorate. More information about him is here. Apparently, he believes the Jews are the result of an affair between Cain and Satan.

Below are the quotes. Laugh at will:

"If you light a flame in a Kerosene refrigerator, it freezes the ice and makes homemade ice cream."

"If you're not pleasuring him then don't ask me why you are not blessed."

"I have been told that raisin bran is a form of idolatry."

"'I will let your rulers think like babes.' Ha! Tell me about it."

"If you are one of those fluffy ducks who is afraid of women, God would be called a liar because the women were virgins but their husbands told them to say that."

I don't know why I posted these. Probably because he called himself a "teacher." I call him a "mental transient."

11 comments:

lylesg@google said...

"Mental Transient" for sure and a damn sly one, too. Thanks!

Anonymous said...

definitly not sly. he is a very smart man

Cstar said...

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In Answer to Critics
by Pastor Arnold B. Murray





I make it a policy to never mention individual denominations, groups or single out individuals by name; however since 1991 several so called "Christian Research" organizations have willingly quoted each others's falsehoods and labels, without direct research, until they are blindly printing outright lies. This has gone on long enough now that I have categorized some glaring examples of such inaccuracies to facilitate making a clear Biblical response. I am not writing this document because I seek nor want any organization's endorsement, but I wish to point out these inaccuracies for intelligent Bible students who love to study God's Word. The Shepherd's Chapel Network now has millions of serious Bible students who study daily with us. It is because I love each of you who desire a deeper study into our Father's Word that I feel I owe this response to you and especially to new students of the Shepherd's Chapel.




I also should point out to those not familiar with the Shepherd's Chapel that we are completely independent; therefore we are not affiliated with any other church, denomination or group. As a matter of record, the only group of which I am a member is with the "Chosin Few" which is a group of Korean War veterans comprised of various military factions who fought in one of the more famous battles of that war. I am very proud to have served as a U.S. Marine in this severe winter battle in which approximately 12,000 of our troops faced a massive surprise attack by an estimated 120,000 of the Chinese communist enemy. Although suffering many casualties, the Marines and our British allies inflicted far more damage to the Chinese and were able to ultimately escape (with our dead and injured) from the Chosin Reservoir where we were at a grave disadvantage. Despite being wounded I survived this war because, I believe, the Lord had further plans and a purpose for my life. I have never forgotten the discipline of the U.S. Marine Corps and the lessons learned in war. If I teach like a Marine DI (Drill Instructor) it is with love because I know first hand the value of well educated and trained troops. In fact the root word behind the word "disciples" is "discipline". The Bible frequently uses military terms to convey how we must prepare to face spiritual warfare. As Christians our ultimate enemy is not "flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, to wit we must put on the whole armour of God" (Ephesians 6:10-19).




I believe many of the inaccurate perceptions of what I teach at the Shepherd's Chapel could be resolved quickly if those interested would simply request our "Statement of Faith" which has been freely available for many years. If you have not already requested it I would encourage you to do so. But perhaps the best way to evaluate what I teach is to simply listen for a while. One thing you will quickly notice is that I like to field questions which in my opinion is a fine way for the listener to test what is being taught. Since the beginning of my Bible teaching ministry, over 50 years ago, I have always insisted on taking questions from the congregation. This important part of teaching ensures that everyone has an opportunity to ask key questions, then hear and judge the knowledge of the teacher for themselves. Now let's take a look at some of the usual points of criticism that some of these so-called "Christian Research" people seem to steal from one another in their rush to reproduce lies against myself and the Shepherd's Chapel.




The Trinity or Godhead



I teach YHVH ("I Am That I Am" and Hebrew for the Sacred Name of God), Yahshua (Hebrew for God's Saviour Jesus) and the Holy Spirit. When you speak the Truth it is the Holy Spirit manifesting Himself through you. Matthew 10:20 explicitly says "For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you." The meaning, of course, refers to the Holy Spirit as in Mark 13:11 which notes, "but when they shall lead you, and deliver you up, take no thought beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do you premeditate; but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye; for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Ghost (Spirit)." I make no apology for teaching the Godhead in this manner, and I certainly do not need an endorsement or approval or further interpretation of my words from any man or group of research witch hunters.




Also, I have never taught that men were little gods. It would be a lie for someone to say so. I do teach all souls were created by our Father. A Christian that would not teach this fact would have a big problem with Scripture. Example: Jeremiah 1:5 says, "Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and ordained thee a prophet unto the nations. Another example: Ephesians 1:4 says, "According as He hath chosen us in Him before the foundation of the world."



Recommended additional study lectures on audio CD:

#30574, "Nature of God, El Shaddai
#30417, "Elect"


Racism


To say that I teach racism or practice racism is another outright lie. We have people of all races that attend and study with the Shepherd's Chapel. It is very simple to prove this statement. We televise our annual Passover meetings including video interviews of many of the thousands who attend. Order a video tape of any of these interviews and you will see people of all races which effectively documents the falseness of any charges that I teach racism (a sample of Passover Interviews is also offered at the end of this document). God's Word directly teaches that our Heavenly Father created all the races and that it was good, (Genesis 1:27-28, 31). People of all nations and races shall be in the Temple of the Lord throughout eternity (Revelation 21:22-27).




Serpent Seed

What about teaching Serpent Seed? I make no apology for teaching the Word of God. In Matthew 13, our Lord and Saviour explains the Parable of the Sower directly to His disciples. He is very explicit about exactly who the sower of the bad seed really is. Matthew 13:37-39 states, "He (Jesus) answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of Man. The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one; the enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels."




Let no one tell you Christ was speaking in a parable here for He was carefully explaining to His disciples the real meaning of the parable He had previously spoken to the multitude. He talked with them in private, and He used language that a child could understand. Christ's teaching of the seed of the devil (or serpent) was nothing new, it was taught from the beginning of Scripture - Genesis.




In Genesis 3:15 God is speaking to the serpent, "and I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shall bruise his heel." The bruising of the heel took place when Christ was nailed to the Cross. And finally, for those who still want further proof as to who the serpent really is; we read in Revelation 12:9, "and the great Dragon was cast out, that old Serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world." Now can anyone with eyes to see and ears to hear have any doubt or confusion about Satan's own seed?




Recommended additional study lectures on audio CD:

#30146, "Genesis, Chapters 1-6"
#30461, "Seed of the Serpent"


Kenites

What about the use of the word Kenites? It is a Hebrew word that has only one meaning, "sons of Cain." It does not mean Judah. The word Kenite cannot be translated Judah and is never used of Judah. Anyone saying that I use the word to describe Judah is not telling the truth; it would be a lie, because I have never said this.



Recommended additional study lecture on audio CD:

#30436, "Kenites"


Exclusive Messenger

Some "researchers" say that I claim to be God's exclusive messenger for this era. I have never thought this, much less claimed it. Such a claim is another outright lie. Those "researchers" cannot prove it because I have never said this. A Christian would not think of making up lies about someone, so how should we label these "Christian Researchers?"

Doctorate of Religious Education

I have never claimed to have received a doctorate from Roy Gillaspie. I do not know where some of these "researchers" came up with this. Roy Gillaspie was simply a beloved teacher of God's Word and I have never said or implied any such thing. It is true that I have a policy of not publicly stating where I earned my doctorate because then "critics" cannot judge me by association. I have always publicly stated that my credentials are my ability to teach God's Word. To the extent that our Heavenly Father blesses me with the ability to clearly teach His Word then what higher ordination could there be?

Summary

In today's world we need to be vigilant for those who would sow seeds of doubt concerning what God's Word actually says. There is nothing wrong with honest disagreement, this does not entitle one to spread outright lies. Acts 17 provides an example of an honest disagreement when Paul disputed with other Apostles in Jerusalem whether circumcision was necessary for salvation. Galatians 2 offers a second witness to the fact that although there was honest disagreement at the beginning of this meeting there was still fellowship at the end. It may also be surprising to note that this disagreement occurred perhaps 16 years after Yahshua's resurrection. And note that all the problems arose because "certain men from Judea" wanted to stir up discord among Christians by spreading the lie that unless Gentiles were circumcised like them they could not have salvation. In other words they denied salvation through Yahshua alone. The Lord hates those who sow discord among brethren (Proverbs 6:16-19).

Paul, under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit gives us good advice in II Timothy 2:15-16 when he says, "Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the Word of Truth. But shun profane and vain babblings for they will increase unto more ungodliness." Let us never be afraid to study together in Christian fellowship in a positive way with an earnest heart felt desire to uncover the Truth of God's Word. Our Heavenly Father has chosen not to give us all Truth and Knowledge on a silver platter. He expects us to study His Word and search out what is true (Proverbs 25:2). Paul also tells us the Bereans set a good example for all Christians as "they received the Word with all readiness of mind and searched the Scriptures daily, whether those things were so". (Acts 17:11).

At the Shepherd's Chapel we study God's Word in a unique verse by verse, chapter by chapter and Book by Book methodology. We don't leave anything out. We hold daily Bible classes on a college level which are freely available to all. I frequently caution all listeners not to believe what any man may teach you unless you first check them out directly from God's Word which is unchanging. You will never go wrong by encouraging daily Bible study which allows the spirit to grow ever stronger in knowledge, wisdom and in discernment.

So to those who desire to join the millions of Shepherd's Chapel listeners who enjoy studying God's Word I welcome you. If you disagree with me, that is quite alright. All I ask is that you be honest in disagreement and careful to document your beliefs. I'll always respect honest disagreement.

Our Heavenly Father has a divine purpose for each of His children. You need to stay in His Word and discover yours. May YHVH Bless each and everyone of you in your deeper study into His Word.

Click here to review the Shepherd's Chapel Statement of Faith
Click here (RM) or here (WM) to view sample Passover Interviews

Cstar said...

this is what he wrote to all critics. I personally believe that people should learn the Bible for themselves before anyone can say who's lying and who isnt because there are so many different religions that every one thinks that their view is the right one.

DEBRA DEW said...

yOU.ARE.MISTAKEN.............WHATS.THE.POINT

Anonymous said...

Librocrats? More like "Demoncrap"!

Good luck with your Anti-Christ, Anti-God, ignorant agenda. :)

Anonymous said...

To misrepresent a person or organization is a bad thing. The problem with blogging is that one should be totally correct without a shadow of doubt of the information they are critiquing. Therefore, if our hearts are right and we are not guilty of Lashon Hara (gossip, evil tongue) but were mistaken in our understanding of the information, then God gives us the chance to reconsider and repent after getting ALL of the information.

This article comes off like most people who speak about or write about the Bible, in that they have never earnestly studied it but still consider themselves as an authentic judge of the work; the same for this article and the information that the writer’s passed on about Murray and the Shepherd’s Chapel. Although it’s a general one to all critics, Arthur Murray’s statement attached here pretty much shows the error of this blogger especially where the point is made through the confusion of Kenites (Children of Cain) with Judah (Jews). If the blogger is serious about the subject there is something much to be said about Revelation 2:9&3:9 where Yeshua (Jesus) states: . . . “the slander of those who say they are Jews and are not, but are a synagogue of Satan.” -- YiH Robb

Anonymous said...

To misrepresent a person or organization is a bad thing. The problem with blogging is that one should be totally correct without a shadow of doubt of the information they are critiquing. Therefore, if our hearts are right and we are not guilty of Lashon Hara (gossip, evil tongue) but were mistaken in our understanding of the information, then God gives us the chance to reconsider and repent after getting ALL of the information.

This article comes off like most people who speak about or write about the Bible, in that they have never earnestly studied it but still consider themselves as an authentic judge of the work; the same for this article and the information that the writer’s passed on about Murray and the Shepherd’s Chapel. Although it’s a general one to all critics, Arthur Murray’s statement attached here pretty much shows the error of this blogger especially where the point is made through the confusion of Kenites (Children of Cain) with Judah (Jews). If the blogger is serious about the subject there is something much to be said about Revelation 2:9&3:9 where Yeshua (Jesus) states: . . . “the slander of those who say they are Jews and are not, but are a synagogue of Satan.” - YiH Robb

Librocrat said...

I made this post 2 years ago, and besides a somewhat snide remark about his feelings on Judaism and a piece of information found on a website, all these are are direct quotes. A direct quote is not a falsehood, it is a quote, said by a person, directly. Ergo, your feelings on its representation are irrelevant.

In addition, this is now the 3rd or 4th person that has commented using a piece of writing they have cut and pasted from something they likely wrote on a word document. Notice how I say nothing about the bible in this, and yet at least a few commenters have posted that I misrepresented the bible. There is an irony in claiming that I misrepresent something that I do not actually represent anywhere in the article. Think about that.

Anonymous said...

Hmm, I’m not seeing where any reply has stated that you misrepresented the Bible. I do see where someone stated that you’re misrepresentation of a man and his ministry was likened to those who misrepresent the Bible and yet has never really checked it out and hasn’t studied it.

As for the quote and the website you took it from is dangerous in that too many times when a man is quoted it surfaces later after reading or listening to the entire source that the quote wasn’t all there and taken out of context. That again would be determining by the agenda of the writer.

To say all “Jews” are Kenites, and the seed of Satan is like saying that the Church has replaced the Jews as the Chosen People; neither of the above is true, and during all of my years of listening to Pastor Murray have I ever heard him make that statement. I could see where someone with “selective hearing” could mistake his words to and thought they heard that being said. Pastor Murray has been very clear as to making a distinction between Kenites and our brother Judah (Jews). I think to say that all Jews are Kenites is like saying that all Muslims are fascists. We all know that isn’t true, and it’s certainly not true that All fascists are Muslim. However the Muslims have amongst them some of the world’s worst fascists that have taken their own scripture out of context to become an evil ruling class of evil for their own people and the rest of the world. The same is for the mix of Kenites who have assimilated themselves amongst our Brother Judah (Jews). Both of the above examples have been a reality for ages.

As for Arnold Murray being labeled as a conservative right off, makes me wonder if this is a political attach or one of concerned about the truth of Bible teaching.

Librocrat said...

It is certainly not an article concerned about the Bible's teaching, nor is it an article concerned about the political policies of a pastor whose work I could not care less about.

It is a short list, over two years old, of funny things that the pastor has said, along with a short paragraph with information taken from a website about him. With the exception of my personal dislike of him (based solely on the way he spoke of gays and pre-marital sex) at the bottom of the article, I really could not care less who he does, what he does, where he does it or what he represents. Instead I have simply listed direct quotes that are funny. And as I read them again, I still find them funny.

Though I do appear on the front page of Google, I honestly have no interest in learning more about him, his teachings, or his political leanings. He could currently be an openly gay liberal New Yorker fighting hard for abortion rights and I would still be completely uninterested.

But I thank you for responding. Few anonymous people ever do.